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eddie
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Calver, Retre & Zuvela were fantastic tonight. Makes it even more baffling that we only see them when there is an injury or suspension.

Brosque is done as a starter. Spends 89 minutes walking around and 1 minute of half-arsed pressing. It leaves a massive hole between our holding midfielders & where he should be immediately releasing any pressure their defence was under. It also means our #9 is being dragged deeper and out of position because he has to do Brosque's running for him. He's also out of position many times when we win the ball back because he walks back and is offside.

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Posted : March 13, 2018 11:14 pm
Rory Bunk
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(to Blue Ranger on previous page)

Yeah, good luck with "developing young talent into a sustainable, title-winning team" (sic) when you're in the salary-capped A-League.

 

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Posted : March 13, 2018 11:18 pm
BlueRanger
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Agreed CountArach.

Zuvela was great. He has a fantastic build for a CDM too, and had some nice checks over his shoulder when facing back or the sideline.

Brillante shouldn't be in the WC squad... I think better midfields will just take him out of the game completely.

Jordy Buijs deserves his own Marvel film.

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Posted : March 13, 2018 11:20 pm
mcflynnsboot
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What a time to be alive.

Matt Simon apologist.

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Posted : March 13, 2018 11:28 pm
BlueRanger
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Rory, I agree, the salary cap is rubbish. I've argued for an NBA style cap on here or to completely scrap it. Either way, the current model is incongruent with the goals of the A-League and FFA.

However, I think that it is still possible to build a good, young core in the league. At the very least, buy young and cheap and go from there. The salary cap rewards keeping players around for the long term, and the barriers in place making it difficult to attain players also provides an incentive to start young and build for the long term.

Consider Marky Delgado and Jonathan Osorio from Toronto FC. Yes, they have some gun marquee / expensive players, but they also have some great young players who they gave a shot early in their careers and developed them into key players in what has been a dominant run for them.

You've got Zullo in for some more years, and Grant is accumulating tenure. Calver is developing, and Warland is young and has some potential. Flottman also looks decent. Charles should be able to become a squad player, and Zuvela will be a capable starter in the near future. Under the reign of Arnie, who completely neglects development, there is still some solid pieces there that should be built upon moving forward.

SFC should position itself as the go-to place for Australian youth to develop.

Jordy Buijs deserves his own Marvel film.

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Posted : March 13, 2018 11:39 pm
boobyfc
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I am proud of the boys tonight.

It was freezing in Kashima and although we were average in the 1st half the boys lifted in the 2nd.

Simon scored. He busted his ass tonight like he does every other night. I was happy for him.

Arnold is turning into the fruit picker he was many years ago. Having Charles to come on in the 60th,He didn't put him on until the 84th.Wtf is the go with that?

He has lost me in this Champs League.

Kallik to me looks like a decent player and so does Zuvela and Retre. So why didn't we play these kids v Newcastle? Instead Arnie is trying to break the record of 70 pts in the a -league that nobody gives a shit about.

In the end 1-1 was a good result but could have been better.

Brilliante on the other hand was awful and needs a rest.

Let's win the next 2 and qualify for the next round.

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Posted : March 13, 2018 11:50 pm BlueRanger liked
pietro
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Great second half. We could have had it (but so could Kashima). Retre has really grown into that role. Calver is coming along at CB but has a long way to go to be a JOrdi or even recent Jurman replacement. But worth sticking with. First time I had seen Zuvela play since Arsenal. Good shift. My opinion of Kalik has not changed. For all his skill and speed, it is his brain that will ruin his career. Lazy, selfish and entitled. He will be the next Chianese; will realise in 6 years time that he has wasted all that talent and opportunity through lack of work ethic.

Simon had a great game within the obvious limits he has - namely speed over 10 metres. Really happy for that goal. Am ever more worried about Redmayne. He should have got that cross or stayed on his line. Either way, he would have saved it. Adrian best on park.They had to foul him all game to get near him. We are still in this.

People spitting hate at Arnie need to work through their own problems, whatever they are. It is one thing to criticise, speculate, think of other options. Enraged drivel reflects badly on the drivellers. We play great football, have won the FFA Cup, are 8 points ahead in the HAL and, yes, the ACL has not gone to plan but we are not that far off. It is near impossible to do well in all three competitions in the same year with restricted squad sizes, salary cap etc. The HAL is the one we needed to prioritise; there are many more matches to play making it the focus. I am so happy and proud to support this club under Arnie and his team. When I think where we have been under previous coaches ....

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Posted : March 14, 2018 12:06 am
Hybrid
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Posted by: BlueRanger

It is evident that relying on the old bodies of Bobo and Ninkovic for 6 or 7 games a month is stupid. Buijs is in brilliant physical condition and could've been rested in some A League games with Calver. It would've made more sense, but I'm not here for that today... This point is already proven through these results.

What I am here to say is, Arnold is a dickhead.

Kalik was functional despite being out of position (he should've been used to rest the attacking mids during the season). Calver, with some game time has become competent (he should've been played weeks before the ACL to warm him up for this competition). Zuvela is a considered a strong midfielder (he should've been used to rest midfielders throughout the season).

Arnold has valued records and dominant performances in the short term without considering the long term success and development of players. He will leave this club with 1 or 2 titles and some records, but he has completely tanked the ACL this season, and left the club in a sub-optimal position... We will be left with ageing marquees, an unsettled foreign CB, and an ageing core squad in general. Hopefully whoever comes in next can develop some of these young talents and not only build a title winning team, but a team that is sustainable.

Bring on the hate. My track record is building up nicely and I kinda enjoy saying "I told you so'. 🙂

Fuck you’re a tedious cunt.

16-17: Vukovic, Grant, Wilkinson, Jurman, Zullo, Brillante, O'Neill, Holosko, Brosque, Ninkovic, Bobo

17-18: Redmayne, Wilkshire, Buijs, Wilkinson, Zullo, Brillante, O'Neill, Adrian, Brosque, Ninkovic, Bobo

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Posted : March 14, 2018 2:45 am Clovis liked
Belldiouf
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Another good point away from home. Its funny that our performances at 'Fortress Allianz" are what will ultimately see us fail to qualify. I thought Kashima slightly edged it over 90 min, as you would expect at home, but we certainly had our chances. Cant have too many complaints with a draw.

I thought Calver was our best. He has gotten better each week, after a very shaky start. I thought Zuvella did very well in his first start, and Adrian continued to look the most likely to create something.

It seems I am amongst the minority, but I find it absolutely dumbfounding seeing the level of (hysterical) criticism directed towards Arnold. He has 11 points clear, won the cup and still in with an outside chance of the R16 in the ACL. People criticizing his ACL record have very short memories. It was only 2 years ago he took us mere seconds away from the quarter final. 

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Posted : March 14, 2018 6:22 am Rory Bunk, mcflynnsboot, nickko and 1 people liked
Rory Bunk
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Bad result overnight with Suwon winning away.

We must now win both AND hope Suwon lose in Japan, or that they if draw, we are able to turn our GD around.

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Posted : March 14, 2018 7:00 am
Schoolboy Errors
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Glad we got away with a point there. I'm a big fan of what Retre offers as a squad option, also good to see Zuvela doing well.

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Posted : March 14, 2018 7:03 am
phoiuy
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Plenty of positives, not least that if nothing else, hopefully Arnold will have more confidence in the youf he's just dropped in the deep end. Lost a bit of that winning habit now, and while the premiership is likely already won, we still want to sweep the finals which can always be a bit of a lottery. Having so few trusted players as depth (besides FFS Simao and old man Carney) is overdue and self-inflicted.

Who would've thunk it? Kevin Muscat...

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Posted : March 14, 2018 7:26 am
CountArach
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I also don't get the Arnie hate; we have one of the best sides any of us are likely to watch for some time, and he has coached them to only a handful of losses in all competitions over the last 2 years. We have had only 1 truly bad season, and even there we still made the knock-out phase of the ACL. Have a bit of perspective guys.

 

That said, he is not entirely beyond reproach for some decisions, such as his use of subs this season and a continued use of Matt Simon. 

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Posted : March 14, 2018 7:59 am
Paulska
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Posted by: BlueRanger

Rory, I agree, the salary cap is rubbish. I've argued for an NBA style cap on here or to completely scrap it. Either way, the current model is incongruent with the goals of the A-League and FFA.

However, I think that it is still possible to build a good, young core in the league. At the very least, buy young and cheap and go from there. The salary cap rewards keeping players around for the long term, and the barriers in place making it difficult to attain players also provides an incentive to start young and build for the long term.

Consider Marky Delgado and Jonathan Osorio from Toronto FC. Yes, they have some gun marquee / expensive players, but they also have some great young players who they gave a shot early in their careers and developed them into key players in what has been a dominant run for them.

You've got Zullo in for some more years, and Grant is accumulating tenure. Calver is developing, and Warland is young and has some potential. Flottman also looks decent. Charles should be able to become a squad player, and Zuvela will be a capable starter in the near future. Under the reign of Arnie, who completely neglects development, there is still some solid pieces there that should be built upon moving forward.

SFC should position itself as the go-to place for Australian youth to develop.

Central coast tried that, they got butt raped, focusing on youth doesn't work, mainly because the moment you get an amazing player, they piss off to Europe. See Antonis and Gersbach for SFC, can name multiple others in other leagues. All that happens is you become a feeder club, salary capped league or not. Look what happened to Ajax, focus on youth and clubs with more money come around and have a shopping spree.

You also can't compare A-league to MLS. More money, more teams with a larger market. 130 million population concentrated in >50 major cities can't be compared with 22 million concentrated in 5 major cities (in reality it's more likely 3 major cities, Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne). 

SCCproud member of The Sydney Polish Knobs SPK

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Posted : March 14, 2018 8:37 am
Troy
 Troy
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Lol BlueRanger and 'I told you so'. No-one is arguing Bujis should have been left out of the squad. People have been arguing your point that bobo should have been left out for him. And despite results that argument still stands imo. 

If you had of said Ninko should have been left out for Bujis, and continued on with it in the fashion you have been these last few weeks you might have a few more followers however.

Also how the fuck was that Simons first goal in two years. With the amount of game time he's received it's absolutely ridiculous.  

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Posted : March 14, 2018 9:10 am
redrich2000
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A Sydney win in Asia is like a dog who speaks, very rare.
A Matt Simon goal is like a dog who speaks Norwegian, even rarer.

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Posted : March 14, 2018 9:14 am shabby, mcflynnsboot and JohnnyRico liked
CountArach
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Posted by: Troy

Lol BlueRanger and 'I told you so'. No-one is arguing Bujis should have been left out of the squad. People have been arguing your point that bobo should have been left out for him. And despite results that argument still stands imo. 

If you had of said Ninko should have been left out for Bujis, and continued on with it in the fashion you have been these last few weeks you might have a few more followers however.

Also how the fuck was that Simons first goal in two years. With the amount of game time he's received it's absolutely ridiculous.  

It wasn't, he scored against South Melbourne in the cup. He just hasn't scored a league goal in that long. 

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Posted : March 14, 2018 9:41 am
[dM]
 [dM]
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Posted by: Paulska
Central coast tried that, they got butt raped, focusing on youth doesn't work
It doesn't have to be "focusing on youth". 
 
This year (in HAL) our first XI has averaged ~81 minutes per game, and much of the remaining 9 minutes come down to injuries. The first XI plus Carney (who has started 13/22 games in place of various first XI players) have taken up ~86 minutes of every available 90 on the field, and of the 938 minutes of remaining game time - 39% has gone to Simon, 36% to Retre, 14% to Ryall, with only 11% to Zuvela, Calver, Lokoli-Ngoy, Kalik combined.
 
Do we really need to wait until 80 or 85 minutes to make subs in all of those matches that were won by 50 or 60 minutes, if not half-time? When games are comfortabe, do we really need to be bringing on Carney (who's seeing plenty of game-time in live games to stay match fit) or Simon as the first options off the bench?
 
We could've given Lokoli-Ngoy half an hour (instead of 7 minutes) when we went 3-0 up against Perth, we could've given Zuvela the entire second half against Wellington in a game that was over by 15" (instead of being an unused sub) - and right there alone we would've almost doubled the amount of game-time in the legs of our young guys going into the ACL campaign without sacrificing anything.
 
And there were countless more games where I was left wondering why the kids aren't getting any more game time. The guys who get minutes to find their feet at senior level this year become proper depth options in the next, and possibly fringe starters a year or two after that. 
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Sydney,
Is sky blue Sydney?
Is sky blue Sydney?
Is sky blue ...  ?

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Posted : March 14, 2018 9:45 am Rory Bunk and CountArach liked
Paulska
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My response was to blueranger's call that we should be the team known for youth development. I never said anything about not playing youth. Needs to be a mixture of both, can't do one AND the other 

SCCproud member of The Sydney Polish Knobs SPK

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Posted : March 14, 2018 9:59 am
[dM]
 [dM]
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We absolutely should be though.

We have about the best resourced academy and definitely the biggest and best player pool in the country to draw from - there's no excuse for us to not have a constant stream of players breaking into the team. 

Sydney,
Is sky blue Sydney?
Is sky blue Sydney?
Is sky blue ...  ?

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Posted : March 14, 2018 10:52 am
eddie
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Posted by: redrich2000

A Sydney win in Asia is like a dog who speaks, very rare.
A Matt Simon goal is like a dog who speaks Norwegian, even rarer.

If dogs could speak, a Norwegian speaking dog wouldn't be all that rare.
There's 5.3m people living in Norway and, according to figures from 2016, 20% of people there own a dog. That's 1m dogs. Even if 10% of those owners didn't speak Norwegian as a first language, that still leaves 900,000 Norwegian speaking dogs.
A dog speaking a Tuvaluan would have been a better comparison.

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Posted : March 14, 2018 12:09 pm redrich2000 liked
Paulska
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Your maths is quite flawed. You've failed to take into account those from Norway not living within it's boarders that would be native speakers, however speaking Norwegian as a primary language within their homes. For instance, Poland has a population of 38 millions, however there is an estimated global population of 46 million Polish speakers.  An increase of 18%.

This of course doesn't take into account those dogs that may have a natural affinity to languages who would be learning Norwegian as a matter of interest. You would also assume that those dogs from Sweden, Denmark and the Baltic states would have an advantage in learning to speak Norwegian due to the similarities in the languages as well as the natural advantage when searching for work within the Scandinavian countries. 

 

Of course we are taking an assumption here in that we have grouped the North, Central, Eastern and Western dialects under a single heading of "Norwegian"   

SCCproud member of The Sydney Polish Knobs SPK

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Posted : March 14, 2018 12:28 pm
redrich2000
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Posted by: eddie
Posted by: redrich2000

A Sydney win in Asia is like a dog who speaks, very rare.
A Matt Simon goal is like a dog who speaks Norwegian, even rarer.

If dogs could speak, a Norwegian speaking dog wouldn't be all that rare.
There's 5.3m people living in Norway and, according to figures from 2016, 20% of people there own a dog. That's 1m dogs. Even if 10% of those owners didn't speak Norwegian as a first language, that still leaves 900,000 Norwegian speaking dogs.
A dog speaking a Tuvaluan would have been a better comparison.

Fair point, but I don't think Sam Johnson had heard of Tuvalu.

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Posted : March 14, 2018 12:32 pm
eddie
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Right you are. I was going to bring in the 4 dialects (one is more Finnish & the other Romani) but just wanted to keep it simple and brand them all "Norwegian", similar to Mandarin & Cantonese if we were discussing China.
From what I can find there are just shy of 5m people worldwide that identify as Norwegian who do not live in Norway. Assuming that they all speak Norwegian as a first language (doubtful as there would be a proportion of 2nd & 3rd generation migrants) and that 20% of them own dogs, then that is now 2m Norwegian speaking dogs. 

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Posted : March 14, 2018 12:39 pm redrich2000 liked
BlueRanger
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Oh jeez, you say something and it just gets twisted and taken out of context horribly.

On the "tedious cunt" comment though... Is your ego seriously that closely related to that of SFC that when SFC gets criticised, you get your back up?

Its pretty ridiculous when we are on the forum to discuss a football team, and some people get so incredibly insulted and bite when you disagree with them. Its just a game, and there are multiple ways to win it. Its not always about right vs wrong, there are many ways to succeed.

Jordy Buijs deserves his own Marvel film.

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